I love happy endings, don’t you?
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Tomorrow, Marc and I will be recording a podcast with the great Tom Racine of Tall Tale Radio. We’ll be discussing this chapter, what comes next for The SuperFogeys and more. Tom will be watching today’s comments closely and will be taking reader-submitted questions directly from them. If you have a question you’d like Tom to ask either me or Marc, please submit it below! Just be sure and include @TOM in your comment.
Next week begins a whole new chapter in the SuperFogeys saga–Chapter 13, “The Sidekick and His Gal.” It’s gonna be a great jumping-on point for new readers. Tell your neighbors and mother’s boyfriend!
Looking forward to your comments today. Have at it.
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Is that Kevin Smith and Wayne Newton in the first panel?
I just want to know whose face is being blocked by the camera.
Soviet Sam’s reaction to the wedding cracks me up.
Wayne Newton, yes. Kevin Smith? Dunno. Marc?
The camera man is loosely based on a certain webcomic artist who likes drawing aging superheroes.
No happy ending just yet. In fact, I’d be happier for CS than SG since he got his money’s worth. But that’s kind of cruel, so I’ll just say that at least CS knows what he got, and SG has no clue.
@Scott-if you could read my response it’d be great. I would hate for that discussion to end or get lost in the comments. Where ever you want to continue it or if continue at all is fine by me.
@Brock-obviously some pretty big steps are being taken in this chapter (or better said “were taken.”) Did it at any point become too much to contain in one chapter? It is the longest chapter, did you consider breaking it down to at least 2 chapters? It was a bit more decompressed, so maybe it wouldn’t have been good to split the chapter.
Javier, do you intend the questions directed at me to be for the podcast?
I guess podcast. You’re gonna get flooded here with questions so it might more convinient for the podcast anyway. That is if you consider my question worthy enough.
Continuing from our previous conversation:
As far as Jerry being the buttmonkey goes, it would hinder the story to show EVERYONE treating Jerry like a joke. You have to read between the lines; Money Man more or less gave Jerry a verbal pat on the head during their first “super team” outing, and characters either treat Jerry like a silly energetic puppy if their nice, or downright insult him if they’re not. Just like how one doesn’t draw every single wrinkle on a cartoon character, one doesn’t have to show every single person int he world hating a character. Let’s face it — if there’s a tag-along with the big star, you don’t yell “Hey Big Star!! You’re awesome! OH YEAH TAG-ALONG YOU SUCK!!” you just focus on the big star and ignore the tag-along. Same deal with Jerry. If you look at Jerry’s flashback he’s still getting picked on even as a powerful looking athlete.
As to character reveal vs. character development — I disagree. Development and revelation, from the perspective of a story-mechanic, are one and the same when done properly. With development the character changes over time in response to the environment, with the reveal the perspective of the reader for the character changes, but in the big picture the reader’s response to the character changes because the character ISN’T the same character the reader was first introduced to. So while the two are technically different from a character perspective, as a story mechanic they have the same function. As far as writing skills are concerned, it still requires a lot of work because it means the characters are fleshed out in detail well in advance, and it becomes a matter of dropping hints here and there.
On top of that, it’s not as if Jerry hasn’t developed. His long repressed dark side is seeping out. Remember, the reveal is “Jerry has lost his freaking mind and has created a long and elaborate plan to get SpyGal to love him” Let’s not forget, Jerry has never really been evil in the realms of Dr. Rocket. Not yet. He refused to kill an innocent. But the worse things get, the more he slips. It’s subtle but it’s there.
And for that matter, CS has developed too — he’s a lot more forgiving in his old age. It’s not all apathy, he really does want everyone to be friends now. I think that’s going to play a critical point later.
Ironically, I think we agree more than disagree at this point. It’s funny the whole peeling the layers back, you say it’s function is the same as character progress, but from a character perspective it’s not. I see that now. And yes Jerry has become somewhat darker, so it is a development. But he has killed an innocent indirectly, even though he said that couldn’t be avoided. I don’t know. I still don’t like Jerry for more reasons than just not having developed.
As for CS wanting everyone to be friends, I agree with that too. Kind of goes along with his retired perspective. Why fight anymore? What’s the point? I just don’t like that was taken so literally that he wouldn’t care about the robot destroying the Vegas and SG leaving him. Last time I checked he cared about her a lot. Obviously Jerry knew CS had a gambling “problem” so Vegas presented the perfect opportunity.
Well, sir. I concede partial defeat. Yes, Jerry has developed, even if slightly in my opinion. I just think that he needed his moment in the spotlight for that to happen. He’s always in the shadows and now’s the moment to see what comes next.
@Marc Brilliant layout and composition – as always your execution impresses me and makes me so very glad the series continues.
@Brock I loathe seeing a total jerkface get exactly what he wants. But, really … aside from kidnapping Cap’s son and some major manipulations and the accidental(?) homicide of an innocent doppelganger, what has Jerkface (I mean Jerry) actually done wrong? Yes, he’s lied, manipulated and used our cast of retired superheroes from day one – but, has he actually committed truly villainous activity? Conversely, have his actions, spurned by his self-centered desire for Spy Gal, been worse than actual than a true villain’s?
Benjamin (and Javier), I’ve amended my commentary on this post with instructions on how to address Tom directly for the podcast. Did you intend for your questions above for the podcast?
@praetor-don’t get some of us wrong. I, for one, don’t believe him to be a villain. It’s all about the end result. He doesn’t deserve SG if he is manipulating everything. It’s not honest. You have to remember he also caused more than what you listed. He is responsible for outing CS’s secret identity, which is a big one. But yeah, he’s no villain. Just doesn’t deserve Gal.
Isn’t manipulation one of the marks of a villain? I don’t understand why everyone is wishy washy about it.
Really? So manipulating events to have a certain outcome is villainous? Unless it’s cheating, that doesn’t sound bad whatsoever. Course if you’re killing people along the way then it’s bad. He did cause the death of Herman indirectly. But was their hope for Herman to recover from his ordeal? Was it euthanasia in the end? That’s probably the only villainous thing he did.
In the end, villains can manipulate, but not all manipulators are villains.
Nope, intended for you as well as in the rhetorical ‘asking it of the universe’ sort of question.
I think there’s too much debate for me to weigh in at this point. I will say that I think the answer is inherent in the story.
That is going to be a lot of change for the Cap to carry home. Or anywhere. Very symbolic.
I wish I knew what was going through Doctor Rocket’s head right now.
I think he’s obviously put the pieces together. He’s also probably wondering how this happened so quickly. Either way, he knows. And he will most likely be the monkey wrench in Jerry’s plans.
Did Jerry dodge mention of his surname during the ceremony? Can Spy Gal truly have no clue she is now Vanessa Klein?
That’s a great question. Maybe it will be answered… later.
I always cry at super-weddings.
Okay, I think many folks are missing some things here:
1)Jerry is a liar.
2)He caused Herman’s death, AND was remorseless in it.
3)He kidnapped CS’ son, and is holding him prisoner.
4)He is torturing/has altered the mind of Thrice Evil.
No hero does these things. Only villains, and proud ones. This is Doctor Doom, Lex Luthor territory, NOT Spider-Man-had-an-alien-costume-controlling-him territory.
@Tom:
What about Tom, CS’ son? What will Jerry do with him, now that plans are “complete”?
When will we get to see the rest of Thrice Evil’s story? Who is he in the villain community? What has he done? Why is his brain being turned off??
Lying isn’t bad (depending on the situation, but certainly in Jerry’s case not so much.) He said he’d let Tom go once he was done since he needed DR’s help, but not anymore. Thrice Evil is a horrible being and the one other smart person Jerry doesn’t need to have around to uncover him. And he’s not torturing him, just keeping him in control (which is horrible anyway, but at least not torture.)
The only thing that could truly be villainous is killing Herman and he did that indirectly. We know Herman was becoming himself again, but we don’t know if he ever would have been truly alright. So maybe it was euthanasia. We don’t have enough details to know for sure. Comparing Jerry to Lex Luthor or alien controlled Spider Man is flawed, since Jerry is doing all these things of his own free will, but his end objective is not evil. His methods are questionable, but mostly not evil.
So I don’t think he’s a villain, just the antagonist (which is not the same.)
Oh, aye, but ask Luthor, and he’s honestly inform you that he’s just practical. And as for Doom, did you know that the good Doctor’s home country of Latveria has a 0% crime rate, and has under Doom’s entire rule? He made all crime punishable by death.
Mind control/brainwashing/etc is torture- it’s robbing you of your ability to choose. What you choose may be wrong, but if we eliminate the ability that anyone, even someone as (likely) twisted as Thrice, has to choose, then are we not removing their ability to choose good (however unlikely it it is that they’d choose it?)? Isn’t removing good evil?
I have to disagree with at least one point there, Jerry is most definitely torturing the Thrice Evil.
http://superfogeys.com/2010/05/20/257-blood-on-the-carpet/
In that strip he threatens him with worse than his current treatment and then gives him a taste of the pain and agony in store if he disobeys, a rather villainous way to go about things. But more importantly deliberately addling the mind and body is a form of torture, especially since that strip suggests that even in his addled state he’s aware that something is wrong. There’s more to torture than cattleprods and water boarding after all. It doesn’t just stop at Thrice Evil in that arc, Jerry in his Dr Klein persona takes the opportunity to engage in some emotional torture of Swifty and Cap as well.
I did forget about those times he emotionally messed up people. With Cap it’s understandable though. He’s trying to psyche out his primary competitor. And Swifty? Well they hate each other anyway.
I still don’t see him as completely villainous, but he is definitely twisted at the very least.
What about when he did this to Spy Gal? He told Spy Gal to “GET OUT!! NOW!!” or some such. His interview with her was short and hostile. I don’t think these are the actions of someone who truly loves a person. He wasn’t acting. There’s no reason for the Dr. Klein persona to become this agitated and hostile toward Spy Gal during the patient check ups. Spy Gal is a spy so she probably considered this to be a red flag. But that’s not the point. The point is that this was the REAL Jerry coming out. The real Jerry has plenty of reason to become extremely agitated and hostile toward Spy Gal because Spy Gal brought up that she loved Wilbur, the Captain (I’m pretty sure that’s close to what she said when Dr. Klein lost his control). If Jerry loved Spy Gal, wouldn’t he be able to care about her feelings, emotions, her happiness with being with the Cap even though he personally thought Cap would hurt her again or wasn’t the right man for her? Wouldn’t he show that he cared about her as a person? But who is it that Jerry is in love with? Himself or others? Who is he putting first in his life? Himself or others? Please see my comment from Feb. 2 at 2:09pm if you’d like me to continue with this thought.
Ah there’s another thing. By the way why can’t I reply to your stuff Will?
But yeah the Spy Gal thing is interesting. He did get angry when she said everything couldn’t be going better with CS. That most likely Jerry coming through. Though he probably got agitated as well because she is investigating him. I’m posting something at the bottom to finalize my thoughts on this one. This has to be even more controversial than the Jerry reveal.
But can the marriage survive all the secrets like “I’m really Dr. Klein” and “I’m really the third man”?
Does Bingo Knight really have the authority to marry people?
What’s going through Thrice Evil’s mind? The expressions Swifty and Doc Rocket are giving are fairly obvious, Thrice Evil looks like he’s trying to remember something.
Does beg the question of how he will keep up the Dr Klein persona because he has to be Jerry to Spy Gal.
In Las Vegas, the coat check girl and the guy on the street corner, wearing an old lab coat covered with food stains, a wifebeater t-shirt, and a pair of Bermuda shorts, who runs up to spritz your windshield and smear it with a rag, so he can ask you for a buck for “cleaning” it, have the “authority” to marry people. But the people who run wedding chapels tend to hunt them down and break their kneecaps for horning in on their territory if they do. It took a lot of work to turn the convenience store into a chapel, dang it, and they’re gonna get their money’s worth! The glitter and spray paint on the squishie machine cost good money!
I dearly, dearly hope you kid *entirely*… O_o
Actually, the wedding chapels in Vegas routinely feud over territory. And just about anyone can marry anyone there. The rest is mostly hyperbole…until it comes true.
Vegas is every bit as odd as CSI makes it seem, isn’t it?
Am I the only one who noticed the comb over on Jerry’s head? LOL
You’re bald man, kinda hard to cover that up with a three or four hairs.
Love the artwork and all the detail, I feel bad for CS, ganna be a big letdown for the guy.
I hadn’t noticed that until you pointed it out! Nice catch.
@Sam: OMG, thanks for pointing that out. It’s hideous and hilarious.
Holy crap… OK, it’s one thing to dump CS but marry Jerry on the same… freaking… night? Lady what kinda adrenaline high are you ON? How hard did that robot hit you? Are you gonna turn Star Maiden loony? Sorry it’s not the same.
Anyhow, I’m interested in seeing how this all pans out. I mean, future Swifty did pop back with doom and gloom, and he hasn’t popped OUT yet. There’s dark times ahead. Darker, for people who are really hating on Jerry. Me, I still pity him because it’s gonna go to poop.
Meantime…. if 40 million is gonna pop out in COINS, CS is gonna drown in it.
Also, I’m going to call it here:
1. Jerry is going to shut down the rest home. He doesn’t need the 3rd Man, he doesn’t need Dr. Klein. He might stage Klein’s death. Who knows?
2. Poop hits the fan, Jerry’s identities are revealed, aliens attack. Fogeys must unite.
3. Poop resolved, CS’s massive winnings will allow him keep Valhalla running. He will forgive Jerry. Fogeys closes with Dr. Rocket and CS playing chess again.
I like these theories. With a $40,000,000 win CS would definitely have enough to re-open the Rest Home, that’s for sure.
The full circle with Super Fogey’s closing with Dr. Rocket and CS playing chess would be great.
I doubt Jerry will go down quietly. CS might forgive him, but I doubt that’s what Jerry cares about. After all he wants SG. CS keeping the home open is plausible since he likes the place. But I don’t think it benefits Jerry to get rid of the Klein/Third Man. The plan isn’t over yet, he needs to cement his relationship with SG and get rid of anything that could get in his way. The aliens might attack during this time.
I too think you’re onto something m’man- but here’s another point that just occurred to me: Dr. Rocket, looking to settle ALL of his affairs before dying, not only figures out Jerry’s plot (or enough of it) but seeks vengeance for his old friend, the Captain amidst all of that. Messy, messy vengeance, because he doesn’t like being tricked, either.
I agree entirely. I had thought of this today too. Dr. Rocket, if you remember the flash back from my most beloved chapter 11, said, “All I saw was my friend… Hurting!” The Captain is most likely going to be hurting again. Money can’t buy happiness. He’ll be left with another empty hole – a void – in his heart. Dr. Rocket also knows that Jerry, even with all of his secrets, probably isn’t heartless enough to kill Tom. Tangerine had to do his dirty work for him when it came to Herman. So Dr. Rocket knows he can’t kill. If he could, he may not have needed to bring in Tangerine. Although it was best to divert attention away from his Dr. Klein persona, he could have easily have killed Herman as the ThirdMan. So the Doctor knows he’s been deceived and tricked. And he knows that Jerry is going to hurt his friend, the Captain. Dr. Rocket is also the only one who knows and the only one who seemingly is the best candidate for stopping Jerry and throwing a monkey wrench into his plans. Future Swifty, however, knows, Jerry is a threat to his own plans due to his own sloppiness, and there’s a space armada of villains on their way to earth. Either way, there’s disaster on the horizon for everyone involved.
Wipe that smirk off your face Wayne Newton, this is not a happy occasion. I think Swifty and Dr. Rocket’s expressions sum it up perfectly for me.
Enjoy this moment of jubilation CS, cause your about to have a world of heartache headed your way.
Eh. Hate it.
I’m with Scott on this one. What drugs has Vanessa been shot with? Did she hit every branch on the stupid tree she fell out of? Mind you, based on her origin she’s never been a rocket scientist, but come on. This really takes suspension of disbelief – heck, it takes hanging it by the neck until it’s dead. And yes – Jerry is a villain. And a juvenile punk. And Captain Spectacular has to wake up sometime or he’ll cease to irritate me and just get boring, which is worse.
JE, I hope you dig what’s coming next. Story’s not over.
Incorrect, Jerry is a true anti-hero. He still believes in good over evil, he has overcome incredible odds, and he has worked tirelessly to achieve his goals. Being an anti-hero means he’s also tragically flawed in such a way that it prevents him from being a hero. He’s no worse than Tangerine (actually Jerry’s a lot more moral and has committed far less crimes than Tangerine), who is a cold-blooded murderer. Let’s keep in mind that Tangerine brutally murdered Herman DESPITE the fact that Herman could have killed him but didn’t, and he also murdered the Pink Shade who wasn’t just reformed but was clearly friends with Spy Gal and Star Maiden, and his reaction was “Ooops”.
Let’s look at the scales:
Jerry:
– Manipulated Captain Spectacular
– Traumatized the Fogeys
– Indirectly responsible for Herman’s death
– Endangered lives via robot rampage
– Kidnapped CS’s son (although he was instructed to murder him so it could have been worse)
Tangerine:
– Murdered a lot of people (criminals of various backgrounds and threat)
– Punched out SpyGal
– Murdered the reformed Pink Shade, who was certainly a lady and likely not a killer herself (her big thing seems to be ‘hey I’m scandalous’)
– Murdered HIS WIFE and MOTHER TO HIS CHILDREN
– Murdered Herman — WHO SPARED HIM DESPITE HAVING HIM AT HIS MERCY
So yeah — if Tangerine’s an ‘anti-hero’ then so is Jerry.
Neither of them are heroes, anti-or otherwise.
Jerry no longer believes in right or wrong. It’s all just selfish ego. Same with Tangerine in his “hero” days. They only and above all are selfish jerks who put their own interests, carnal needs, revenges and desires above such inconvenient concepts as other people’s desires or lives. Someone who can kill a living human being and then just say “oops” has no moral compass. Overcoming odds and working tirelessly to achieve your goals is a trait that these guys have in common with every supervillain, including and especially Dr Rocket, BTW. Jerry’s goal was never “lofty” – it was to get back at all the mean kids that made fun of him and dishonestly manipulate Spy Gal’s emotions so that she’d think she loves him. But she doesn’t love him because she doesn’t really know him and all he’s done. And he doesn’t care as long as he can possess Spy Gal. To look at a human being as an object to be possessed is the antithesis of heroism. It’s completely dishonest and sociopathic.
An anti-hero would be like Frank Castle, who first and foremost only ever puts his own body on the line for what he does – and whose targets are inevitably villains themselves. Same with Rorschach, who has a skewed, extremist view of right and wrong, but will go to any personal lengths to protect or revenge those he thinks are innocent, and punish those he labels as evil, however wrong-headed that may be at times.
Look at all the damage, blood and pain that Jerry was willing to make everyone ELSE pay to overcome his “incredible odds.” The intricate scheme to pull everyone’s strings? That’s a supervillain, not an anti-hero.
And I, like Swifty,just didn’t think Vanessa would sink that low. Oh, well.
For the record, I have to agree. It’s hard for me to really put across my thoughts on morality, however, without getting into the teachings of Jesus. Maybe that’s not something I should be afraid to bring up? But in comparison with such teachings I see Jerry exactly the way you do – a villain. But that begs for a definition of the word “villain.” How about this? Exactly what you said: putting himself before others. I’ve written about this on the last strip or two. Be better to go check that out. Anyway, being selfish doesn’t necessarily make one a Lex Luthor. But it definitely doesn’t make one a hero either. And being selfless doesn’t necessarily make one a Superman. An Anti-Hero? That’s a valid superhero comic category, but please. Let’s not muddy the morality pool with grey areas. Either you love others more than yourself or you don’t. Nobody is perfect. But I think it all boils down to where your heart is. If you choose to consistently try to love others as you love yourself or more so and also put them first before yourself, you’re one of the good guys. You’ll have everyone’s best interests on mind, not your own only, and you’ll show it. But if you consistently love yourself more than others and put yourself first, that’s how you’ll live your life and it’ll show. Unless you’re Jerry and you’re hiding it – in your best interests, of course, and not in the best interests of those around you. Maybe what Soviet Sam said in the beginning of this chapter was spot on. I vaguely remember it. It’s not what deeds of heroism a hero does to become a hero. It’s his heart attitude and whether or not he chooses to selflessly love that makes a hero. A hero simply isn’t revealed outside of his own heart until conflict propels him into a deed of heroism. When conflict arises and people are forced to react, that’s when what’s inside of their hearts will be revealed. In that case, it’s not that he wasn’t a hero before this. It’s simply that he had not yet been given an opportunity to act upon what was in his heart. I could get back to the Bible and talk about what people like Brock have mentioned elsewhere online about needing Jesus to clean that heart of ours, but I don’t want to get off topic. Like Jesus said to His disciples and others He taught, “You, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children.” You don’t have to be a Christian or a religious man to know right from wrong, and that includes Jerry.
On the flip side, what does everyone think of Cap? It’s by this same standard I’ve weighed him. I’m interested and invested in both characters, but I’m used to rooting for good role models like Superman – pretty much confessed as often written as an allegory of Jesus by some writers – or Captain America, who I see as the Marvel’s answer to Superman (the powers might be different, but the heart beats the same). Jerry and Captain Spectacular are not these men. They’re flawed. They’re sinners. They are known to give in to their weaknesses. They’re sometimes, or even ofttimes, given to selfishness. Cap is, to me, a better person than Jerry because he has not purposely plotted the death or kidnapping or manipulation of others and, unlike Jerry, didn’t see Spy Gal as a possession. But he, of course, has made his mistakes as well. He sadly doesn’t always love others as himself or more than himself neither does he put others first, before himself, always.
I like both characters. It’s just hard to get behind someone who’s … real. Superman and Captain America? Other than being a picture of Christ, Superman is written in some DC comics to be a Methodist Christian (no joke; I read one where he flies back to Smallville to consult his Pastor on a question). Captain America? I swear he has some Christian background somewhere. But let’s face it. Even I have a hard time loving others as myself and putting them first. I suppose if it were a comic about me I wouldn’t be the best role model hero either. Cap and Jerry are simply being portrayed as human beings like the rest of us; especially Cap. But here’s to rooting for these two misguided people: Cap and Jerry. They were once heroes, but somewhere along the way they allowed selfishness to come in and it corrupted their moral compasses, making it easier over time for them to compromise and eventually, at times, forsake what they knew to be right and wrong. Even young Jerry admits that his future self seemed villainous. Here’s to these two finding their way.
Jerry essentially spent the last half of his life stalking Spy Gal. In the end he was willing to risk innocent lives to get her. That is creepy psychotic behaiour, not heroism.
Great ending, Brock! Can’t wait for the next Chapter.
Thanks, Jared!
Going back to this strip:
http://superfogeys.com/2011/03/23/301-hmph/
Are the Swifties talking about the wedding? Or perhaps something later? Like when Spy Gal learns everything but chooses Jerry anyway. (Muahahahaha!)
Oh man, now THAT would be a great twist.
We’re forgetting the most life-or-death part of this chapter tho!
Spy-Gal still has to throw the bouquet! Oh snap, it’s on now…..
Losing money in slot machines was a lot more fun back in the day when you actually put coins in the machine and coins actually came out. Who’s Cap going to collect the rest of his winnings from?
If necessary, he’ll carry the machine to Bingo Knight and show the jackpot to him in order to collect.
Something tells me this ain’t gonna stay in Vegas…
Dear, Lord. The artwork is so amazing.
Right? Marc’s potential and his ability to realize it is off the charts.
@ Marc – Artwork. AMAZING. Dude.
@ Brock – I’m sorry, but I was all sorts of not good like a lot of people who also commented when I saw Spy Gal’s decision and how quickly she married him. My initial thoughts, being emotionally grounded, were the same as I thought, “What has Spy Gal been smoking?!?” and “She’s finally flipped her lid!!” But I’m still going with the “spy” angle on this one. It makes no sense to me why she’d so quickly marry Jerry without even thinking about it. Or hypnotism or drugging or mind control or something. I no longer believe the Cap is working with Spy Gal to double team Jerry. He’s not smart enough for that anyway and he’d defend Jerry to Spy Gal if she suggested Jerry was up to no good. It’s sadly more likely that Spy Gal isn’t acting as a spy at all. Possible, but plausible? I thought about things. I said to myself, “How much does she even know about Jerry!?” I suppose Spy Gal does know Jerry pretty well. I forgot that they’ve had a long history of working together with Cap as their mutual connection for decades. And we’ve seen her attracted to Jerry. She rested her head on his shoulder, said he was more of a man to her than he thought, and etc etc. I suppose it’s still surprising how she’d make such an important decision so quickly. I know they’re not getting any younger, but – dang – come on, y’know? But I know you’re going to make sense of this, Brock. The rest of your writing has been good. I’ll ride the story out and see where you’re taking us, man.
And now for the important question, how did those cracks and the hole get in the Casino ceiling above and to the left of C.S….?
Ummm…did you miss the part about the giant robot, shooting everything full of holes?
I was thinking more along the lines that CS threw multiple pisfits until the casino let him win…
Na mate, the important question is- Where’s Mega Matt??????????
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@Holaved-wait you said “isn’t removing good evil?” I don’t think that applies to Thrice. I’m not saying I’m all for mind controlling criminals and what not. Although Thrice is probably so evil that he lost his right to freedom. I don’t know. It’s really ambiguous. I still can’t call Jerry a true villain.
It’s like Will said, you can’t really compare him to Luthor but you can’t really say he’s a hero either. In the end, it doesn’t matter what he is. He’s just doing stuff, stuff that matters to the story.
And he did regret Herman dying. He said nothing could be done about that.
I phrased things a little clunkily- I meant “removing good” in the sense that Jerry usurping Thrice’s mind removes even the possibility of Thrice choosing good. Thus, Jerry removes good from the equation.
I still disagree on it being ambiguous in any sense other than Jerry *possibly* still seeing himself as a hero (You make a good point about his comments of regret on Herman’s death).
Okay, THAT took me completely by surprise! But then again, Jerry’s waited long enough, and I suppose Spy-Gal IS the impulsive type, so it does make sense:) I really enjoy the different reactions from Space-Pig, Swifty and Dr. Rocket, they’re great ^^ I hope they get to enjoy a bit of honeymoon before something goes down, but I’m looking forward to see CS’s reaction to this, maybe he’ll start noticing how big a jerk he actually is 😀 (It’d be about time)
It is just me, or did this comic die at Jackpot? Are the updates going on somewhere else?
Just click on “Next Chapter” and you’ll continue right on!
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